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Mike  
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 More options Mar 9, 8:16 pm
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From: Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu>
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:16:39 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Mar 9 2010 8:16 pm
Subject: A proposition equivalent to axiom of choice
Hi all,

     Wikipedia's article on axiom of choice states that Tarski proved
that the statement if X is infinite then X is bijectively equivalent
to XxX is equivalent to axiom of choice.  I know how to prove that AC
implies X=XxX for infinite X.  I am curious to know the proof in the
other direction.  Does anyone know a reference for this?  It seems
hard to google.

     In that article wiki has a list of propositions that are weaker
than the axiom of choice.  Among them is the free subgroup theorem.
Question: is it known that free subgroups theorem is STRICTLY weaker
than AC?  If so that would presumably mean that somebody has
constructed a model of ZF in which free subgroup theorem is true, but
AC does not generally hold.

     Can anyone think of a good expository article on issues such as
this related to AC?

Regards,
Mike


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Ask me about System Design  
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 More options Mar 9, 8:33 pm
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From: Ask me about System Design <grpad...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:33:51 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Mar 9 2010 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: A proposition equivalent to axiom of choice
On Mar 9, 4:16 pm, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:

Article?  No.

Book? Try Rubin and Rubin's Equivalents of The Axiom of
Choice, or a similarly titled tome.

Gerhard "Ask Me About System Design" Paseman, 2010.03.09


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